
Preface: Some of the issues addressed in the following essay enter into a doctrinal territory that is not well defined by LDS theology. As usual, my statements reflect solely my own opinion. Further, this essay has NO pretense of being a final resolution to the problems raised. Instead, this essay represents a personal exercise in search for my own answers. I will be happy to hear from others with differing perspectives, both LDS and non-LDS. I am sure there is much to learn.
Warning: This essay is designed for readers who enjoy pondering some of the deeper questions about the nature of Godhead.
Critics of LDS doctrine often love to build straw men and knock them over. One such straw man is the accusation that Mormons believe in a God who was a former sinning human. Another accusation is that Mormons believe in a Jesus who was not always deity, not always the Son, and less than eternal. One main purpose of this essay is to refute such accusations.
One place on the Internet where one can find such accusations about Mormon belief in God is at: www.godneversinned.com. This film misrepresents mainstream LDS views with some cringing “on the street” interviews of LDS individuals evidently in need of more homework about their own religion. A strong refutation of the "sinning god" accusation can be found in an essay by W. John Walsh.
Another prompt for my concerns about this issue was raised in a recent interview of Elder Bruce Porter of the 1st Quorum of Seventy by R. R. Reno from First Things, a Catholic oriented Internet magazine. Actually, Elder Porter did an excellent job of fielding some challenging questions. A podcast of the interview is linked here. At 13:50 minutes into the interview Reno asked this question: "Was there ever a time when the Son was not?" This was a question designed by the interviewer to detect heresy as defined by Catholicism.
Elder Porter answered: "Well, in the Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrine and Covenants the Son is described as being from eternity to eternity, neither beginning or end."
Reno chuckled and said, "Well, that answers that question."
Elder Porter continued, "So, no, we do not believe there was a time that the Son was not."
Elder Porter did not cite specific verses, but he clearly knew where the justification for his position could be found. For example, the following illustrate Elder Porter’s claims from the sources he mentioned [emphasis mine]:
D&C 29:33
33 Speaking unto you that you may naturally understand; but unto myself [Jesus Christ] my works have no end, neither beginning; but it is given unto you that ye may understand, because ye have asked it of me and are agreed.
D&C 39:1
1 HEARKEN and listen to the voice of him who is from all eternity to all eternity, the Great I AM, even Jesus Christ—
Moses 6:67
67 And thou art after the order of him [Jesus Christ; see v. 57] who was without beginning of days or end of years, from all eternity to all eternity.
Moses 7:29
29 And Enoch said unto the Lord: How is it that thou canst weep, seeing thou art holy, and from all eternity to all eternity?
Was there a time when Jesus was NOT deity or NOT the Son? No. One would have to violate standard meanings of “eternity” to make an argument otherwise.
One figurative expression for the eternal nature of Christ is found in the book of Revelations: “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end” (Revelation 1:8, 11; 21:6; 22:13). The same phrase in reference to Christ is found in scripture unique to the LDS religion, such as: 3 Nephi 9:18; D&C 19:1; 35:1; 38:1; 45:7; 54:1, 61:1; 63:60; 68:35; 75:1; 81:7; 84:120; 112:34; and 132:66. In the previous list of citations one should note how often this special phrase occurs as a first verse in a Section of the Doctrine & Covenants. This phrase represents an important initial announcement of the special nature of the divine source in six LDS revelations.
Latter-day Saints equate Jesus with the God of Moses, that is the Lord Jehovah. Notice the following names of God found in the Book of Moses:
Moses 1:3
3 And God spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I am the Lord God Almighty, and Endless is my name; for I am without beginning of days or end of years; and is not this endless?
Similar expressions can be found in the Doctrine & Covenants:
D&C 76: 1-4
1 Hear, O ye heavens, and give ear, O earth, and rejoice ye inhabitants thereof, for the Lord is God, and beside him there is no Savior.
2 Great is his wisdom, marvelous are his ways, and the extent of his doings none can find out.
3 His purposes fail not, neither are there any who can stay his hand.
4 From eternity to eternity he is the same, and his years never fail.
D&C 20:28
28 … Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.
The ONENESS of the Godhead has the potential to create confusion. Latter-day Saints do believe in a three-part Godhead with separate identities. God the Eternal Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are distinct individuals. One foundation for this belief comes from Joseph Smith’s first vision in 1820:
Joseph Smith History 1: 17-19
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other--This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
In 1844, a few weeks before his untimely death, Joseph Smith preached:
Joseph Smith (Nauvoo, June 16, 1844), History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 474
It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years. …I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage….
Although God the Eternal Father and Jesus are distinct individuals, they are perfectly unified in purpose. Latter-day Saints do view Jesus as the only begotten Son of the Father. Yet, we also believe that Christ (and God) existed before the world was ever formed. (See Abraham ch. 4 and my essay on pre-mortal existence).
Why would critics accuse Mormons of believing in a God who had sinned in the past? This accusation arises from unsubstantiated speculation based upon the following, taken from a Joseph Smith sermon known as the “King Follett discourse:”
Joseph Smith (Apr. 7, 1844, Nauvoo, Illinois) History of the Church, 6:305; a composite based upon reports by Thomas Bullock, William Clayton, and others; first published in Times and Seasons of August 15, 1844:
“God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!”
Does the above teaching imply that God the Father is something less than eternal? No. Just as Christ, who came to earth, is eternal, Latter-day Saints believe that God the Father is eternal. Such a belief is clearly stated in the the 1st Article of Faith.
So, what did Joseph Smith mean when he referred to God as an “exalted man?” First, we must understand the context of this quoted phrase above. To do so, it is useful to return to the recorders’ notes (taken from individuals who heard the discourse in Nauvoo, 1844). Thomas Bullock was an official recorder of the Church:
Thomas Bullock version (The Words of Joseph Smith, compiled by Ehat & Cook, p. 349-350; abbreviations expanded):
God himself who sits enthroned in yonder Heavens is a man like unto one of yourselves who holds this world in its orbit and upholds all things by his power. … Adam walked, talked and conversed with him as one man talks and communicates with another. … It is necessary to understand the character and being of God … for he was God from the beginning of all Eternity … . They are the simple and first principles of truth to know for a certainty the character of God that we may converse with him same as a man, and God himself the father of us all dwelt upon a Earth same as Jesus himself did. …
Note that in the text above the Father is described as having dwelt upon an earth the same as Jesus did. Jesus, as a mortal deity on earth, led a sinless life. By comparing the mortal life of God the Father with that of Jesus, Joseph Smith was implying that God the Father led a sinless existence.
William Clayton, another official recorder for Joseph Smith, recorded some following wording not as well defined in the Bullock version:
William Clayton version (The Words of Joseph Smith, compiled by Ehat & Cook, p. 357; abbreviations expanded): These are incomprehensible to some but are the first principle[s] of the gospel – to know that we may converse with him as one man with another, and that he was once as one of us, and was on a planet as Jesus was in the flesh. … What did Jesus say? As the father hath power in himself even so hath the son power to do what? Why what the father did, to lay down his body and took it up again. Jesus what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my father did that I may take it up again. …
In the Clayton version, Jesus is described as having laid his life down to be resurrected as was done by the Father. Again, the implication is the Father had set a pattern for Jesus to follow -- a sinless existence.
In any case, the first publication of this sermon (August 15, 1844) came after Joseph Smith's death. It is unlikely that Joseph had a chance to approve any printed version. Many of the teachings in the "King Follett sermon" were new to the Latter-day Saints. The recordings of the sermon were primitive and subject to error. Consequently, extrapolations beyond the text, such as conclusions about God having lived a former life of sin, are completely unwarranted.
A full composite version of the King Follett discourse can be found here. A useful parallel version (based upon the several recorded transcripts) of the King Follett discourse is found here. A useful perspective to the question: "What do the Latter-day Saints mean when they say that God was once a man?" can be found here. This latter essay, associated with FARMS, takes a view with which I would be slightly uncomfortable, since it argues that God’s eternalness has more to do with “his divine attributes-his love, constancy, and willingness to bless his people” than with his endless time. To me, God’s everlasting nature has to do with BOTH his constant love and his constant divine nature. The Encyclopedia of Mormonism states a slightly different opinion: "the Father became the Father at some time before 'the beginning' as humans know it, by experiencing a mortality similar to that experienced on earth" (see " God the Father : Overview"). The implication in the previous statement appears to be that mortality was a necessary step towards the Father's Godhood. Again, I might have some struggles with that claim, since it waters down the solidly established concept of God's eternity. Although there can be various LDS perspectives on this matter, there is no justification for concluding God was a former sinner. Again, see: the strong refutation of God as past sinner by W. John Walsh.
LDS scripture provides a strong sense of the special unity between the Father and the Son. By LDS interpretation, the unity is NOT being of one substance, because the identities are distinct. However, there is extreme unification in other ways. The unity of God the Father and Jesus is such that it is entirely appropriate to refer to Jesus as “God the Father.” See the following verses with my emphasis:
2nd Nephi 26:12
12 And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews, that Jesus is the very Christ, it must needs be that the Gentiles be convinced also that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God;
Mosiah 15:2-4
2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son--
3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--
4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.
Alma 11:38-39
38 Now Zeezrom saith again unto him: Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father?
39 And Amulek said unto him: Yea, he is the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth, and all things which in them are; he is the beginning and the end, the first and the last;
3rd Nephi 9:15
15 Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name. …
Again, such verses make it clear that the LDS regard Jesus as a fully defined deity, eternal in nature. Jesus is an ESSENTIAL part of the Godhead. In fact, I would go so far as to say that if Jesus were subtracted (eliminated) from LDS theology, then there would be nothing left.
Conclusions: Latter-day Saints do NOT believe in a temporary God the Father or a temporary Jesus. These two individuals are conceptualized as ETERNAL. Further, they are conceptualized as sinless. Yes, both lived mortal lives on some earth, but there also was a pre-mortality that extended back into eternity.
The issue of God's mortal phase raised here in this essay DOES NOT preoccupy LDS theology. We have little information on the topic of God the Eternal Father being an exalted man. The issue is rarely discussed, and modern revelation has not expanded our knowledge about it.
Instead, we have a flood of scriptures testifying to the eternal nature of deity. God should be conceptualized as a morally pure and eternal being . This italicized statement, if taught in an LDS Sunday School, would be accepted without controversy.
Who is God the Eternal Father? He is the entity to whom we pray, in the name of Jesus. He is an immortal physical being, omniscient, omnipotent, and with a commanding influence that is omnipresent. He is the Supreme Being defining all purity and all morality. He is the Father of Christ. There is much we still have to learn about the nature of the Father. Our best exemplar of that nature is the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
Post Script: Again, I invite alternate opinions, LDS and non-LDS. I would be happy to hear from you, and I am open to corrections or refinements.
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